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1/21/2011 9:19 PM
 
this info is from http://daytonos.com/?p=9840

GO to this website for full article. and see the full comment I am replying to.
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Huge Income Disparity In U.S. Indicates That A Fair Tax System Should Seek To Redistribute Wealth

Rick is bothered that 50% of wage earners pay no income tax — but, what is bothersome is the fact that the reason so many wage earners are not required to pay income tax is because they have little income.

We should all be bothered enough to attempt an answer to this question: How should a wealthy nation, with a representational democracy form of government, respond to this fact that many of its citizens have insufficient income, while a few of its citizens have enormous income?

It makes sense, to me, that one purpose of our tax system should be to bring more income fairness to the average person, that one purpose of our tax system should be to redistribute wealth. If not through the tax system, then how?

Timothy Noah of Slate reports, “The richest 1 percent account for 35 percent of the nation’s net worth; subtract housing, and their share rises to 43 percent. The richest 20 percent (or “top quintile”) account for 85 percent; subtract housing and their share rises to 93 percent.” Noah cites a Harvard study that shows most Americans are unaware of the enormity of this income inequality.  But income inequality is a huge and growing issue in our democracy and should be a matter of in-depth discussion and analysis.

Here is a chart that shows that the U.S., in comparison with other countries, does a poor job of wealth redistribution:


Conclusion: History has shown that when societies get too unequal bad things happen. They either become economically inefficient or they become subject to social unrest. In many cases both happen simultaneously. The banana republics of South and Central America are a good example. For hundreds of years a small ruling oligarchy has run things. Things are even pretty good for these people. However, the societies as a whole have not prospered. They have been subject to continual poverty and revolution and much of the development that has taken place is in the hands of foreign investors. The wealth of the few has been maintained at a high cost to the majority.

As new societies arise which are more equal and more efficient, the oligarchical societies will fall ever further behind. The peasant class that kept things going, inefficiently, will no longer be enough. The capital needed for growth will not be present and the expertise needed to deal with modern technology will not be in place. We can see such failed societies in parts of Africa.

We in the US need to decide if we are going to slip into an inefficient oligarchy, risk civil unrest or redirect our resources and wealth into more equitable avenues. No society is perfectly egalitarian, but when we have reached a point where the top one fifth in Manhattan makes $350,000 and the bottom fifth makes $7,000 we are probably near an economic tipping point. How we deal with the coming challenge is up to us.

Moral: A just society is an equitable society, an equitable society is a just society.

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1/21/2011 9:31 PM
 

@bryan. There is no such thing as equal opportunities when a poor person starts out life with in most cases low self-esteem, low paying job, no savings, poor education and other issues. poor community schools dont teach there kids the required skills needed to compete in the US. look at state report cards. So the respond to your statement, of course we are free to succeed or fail, but once you take a couple of courses in psychology and sociology you will understand that a persons environment dictates there behaviors. no matter what.

its just not true whatsoever that 50% of wage earners dont pay income tax. any single person who makes over around 14,000 will no doubt pay fed and state tax. almost everyone who works pays local tax. local tax is income tax. so the whole statement is false anyway. basically the new minimum wage at full time rate puts any single person paying income taxes.

your examples of unemployment insurance is horrible. that program is paid for through businesses. soc and medicare medicaid is taking out of every single working person pay in the US. including minors. so leave that out because we all paid for those services and we should use them and you are right on the big screen TV’s. people who work at mcdonalds part-time are broke as heck. they dont have stuff. nothing. so if you hand them $100, they will immediately buy something. So its makes common sense that if u want to stimulate demand. GIVE IT TO POOR PEOPLE. its a direct economic stimuli. If we give it to rich people they will stick it in the bank and nobody will see it. Plus to much supply only lowers prices and then businesses make less profit. Which means they lay off. BUT IF WE CREATE demand, prices can go up which creates more revenue/profit in which hiring can take place. take a couple of economic classes and you will know that.

Sadly enough though I agree totally with you, but I also know that no matter what happens there will always be the poor. The just needs to be more rules added to the whole food stamp section 8 programs. I know that a person making 12,000 a year cant buy jack. So the gov will give them 120 in food stamps in certain counties, but the county pays some of that which comes from sales tax which everyone pays. So I hope people don’t argue with paying for something and using it when you need or want it. that’s why we pay for stuff. To use it. But for the people who don’t pay federal or state tax. You are somewhat correct. That is a problem. And they need to become wage earners who pay taxes. But also there is a lot of work we have to do as a country to make that a reality.

We cannot be the richest country in the world and act like we struggling over foodstamps and section 8. Those are not the problems. Fica is what they call it. The tax everyone pays should pay for all those medicare soc crap u talk about. Military expenses is out of control. There is were we need to cut. Wasting dollars to move jobs from one state to another. Not only is the dumbest idea I ever seen but it waste billions. It waste more than 20 million in Dayton area alone. Billions on a state level. If we could just make a law that no state, county or city could give any tax abatements or grants to any businesses for economic development, jobs, etc. We could stop the wasteful spending of billions just to move 2000 jobs from one state to another. All that is doing is creating a hole where they fill one elsewhere. Economic development should be left to the fed gov. And they should concentrate on a community need and exports. MORE EXPORTS MEAN More money/jobs for every state and city in our country.

Lastly I totally disagree with your cuts. All you want to do is cut stuff from people who make our country work. OUR country started with hard working people. NOT BUSINESSES. that’s why we struggling. A company should not have more rights than the people. Hard working people is what makes our country good not companies. IF U want it all equal. Make all companies pay at there tax rate. NO deductions. Then we will look at individuals.

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